SophiaCA
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2011 1:54:38 PM
with $20 is not enough for today gas
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2011 6:25:41 PM
there was an old joke about $5 gas, for the sake of this thread, I'll change it to $20.
I drove into our only local "full service" gas station today.
The attendant came out and asked what I needed.
I handed him a $20 bill and said twenty dollars please.
The attendant took my $20, farted and walked away.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2011 11:34:41 PM
9livessarah:
So you're driving to your friends area, 20 minutes away to buy gas? And 20 minutes back? What would that be...10 miles each way? If it is, and you're getting 20 miles to the gallon, if gas costs $4 a gallon, that means you're using 20 cents of gas for each mile you drive. If you're buying 10 gallons (you said you're buying $35-40 worth of gas so that would seem to be 10 gallons) and you $4 worth of gas you're using to buy 10 gallons, then you have to add 40 cents to the price of each of the 10 gallons you're buying.
Wouldn't it make more sense not using gas (and money to buy that gas) driving back and forth to save a little bit? Wouldn't using that gas (and money to buy that gas) wipe out any savings going to and from the "lower priced" gas station? Seems to me you'd come pretty close to breaking even (and maybe even saving money) by buying the higher priced gas at a station closer to you.
Side question: If you're buying $5 worth of gas to have enough to get somewhere cheaper in price, I would assume that means you're driving pretty close to empty if a little more than a gallon is that necessary to buy. Even if you can save 8 to 20 cents per gallon, wouldn't it be worth it to maybe come closer to filling up? Even buying 10 gallons would only cost you 80 cents to $2. That's about half the price of a cup of Starbucks, or about the price of bottle of water, maybe less than that. And wouldn't it be easier to simply buy in one stop instead of making two different stops to get gas when you need it?
Just asking is all.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2011 9:15:45 PM
it now costs me $20 to fill up my lawn mower - uffda
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9livessarah
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2011 12:14:36 PM
I hate stopping to buy gas. But if I am really low in an area that has pricey gas, I'll stop and only put in $5, to last me until I get to a cheaper area. For example, my friend lives in an area easily 8-20 cents cheaper than where I live but its only a 20 minute drive, so I wait until I go out to see her to fill up. I still spend about $35-$40 but I'm completely filling it up and that'll last me well over a week, so that $5 stop makes it all work.
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yabasta
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2011 7:25:53 PM
I remember back in 1991 filling up my toyota corolla for $10. Gas was 95cents. So hard to believe.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2011 7:53:52 AM
joshchun, the problem with this post now, is: $20 will only now get you half as much gas as when you started this dribble back on 21 december 2010
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BCERB
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2011 3:18:05 AM
If you only let your tank go down to 3/4s full & drive very little then $20 should be no problem for keeping a ricer topped up.
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HeavyDuty_cache
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2011 3:02:49 AM
If I only put 20 bucks in at a time I would only get 5 gallons of fuel.
[Edited by: HeavyDuty_cache at 4/11/2011 3:03:05 AM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2011 3:54:06 PM
Oldmarres:
If you were buying only $20 worth of gas because that's all you need a week (and you're now paying $23 a week for gas because that's all you need for a week's use), then that's one thing.
joshchun2, on the other hand (forgetting Josh made this his one and only message post and hasn't been back in four months) is saying all he spends at the gas station is $20 regardless of what he might need, meaning that he'll go back to gas stations more frequently (wasting gas and time in the process). Two entirely different things.
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Oldsmarres
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2011 8:23:44 PM
For quite a few years now I only buy $20 a week for gas. I also only use stations that offer a discount if you pay in cash. However, in the last 2 months, I am now having to put in about $23 a week using essentially the same mileage. Drive a brand new Hyundai Accent, which helps a lot, but am going to be forced to find a job closer to home as the 25 mile round trip every day is becoming an economic drain. Also, one day per weekend, I do not use the car at all.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2011 12:39:37 AM
pstarrrr wrote:
"...Also a full tank means extra weight, there might be an argument for just getting a few gallons more frequently."
Don't take it from me; take it from the Car Guys who say that theoretically, if your 3,000-pound car is 50 or 60 pounds lighter, you'll get slightly better mileage. That's why manufacturers spend all kinds of money taking ounces of weight out of car parts. But if you fill your tank only halfway, there will be another major fuel loss. That's the fuel you use driving around looking for a gas station twice as often. And that could easily wipe out any small savings you get from making your car lighter.
Plus, where do you stop? If you're really determined to reduce the weight of your vehicle, shouldn't you always relieve yourself before driving, because otherwise you'll be carrying around THAT extra weight, too? And shouldn't you shave your head to remove the weight of your hair? And your chest and legs, too? And don't forget your back! Then you'd also need to always drive nude. Especially in the winter, when overcoats are murder on your mpg. Think about it.
Worry about other weight you've got in your car...or if you're that weight conscious, why don't you go on a diet and make the weight on the driver's seat a little less than it is now?
Seriously, any weight reduction is useful but do you tell people you drive that they shouldn't bring anything with them...or that they should lose weight...or you can only take one kid with you, not both? The mileage difference would be minimal and you'd be using some of the extra weight as you drive and it burns in your engine.
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srqmale67
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2011 8:33:48 PM
wow
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WelshCanadian
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2011 3:05:39 PM
I fill up every time, it's gone from around $45 a time to $55 or more.
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pstarrrr
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2011 8:48:49 PM
I normally fill up also. I have read not to go below a quarter tank to avoid getting any sediments in the engine. Also a full tank means extra weight, there might be an argument for just getting a few gallons more frequently.
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ricebike
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2011 8:09:24 PM
I literally go past the gas station every day to drop off my kids at school
so I also only put 10 or 20 bucks worth in the tank; waiting for the price to drop since Halloween of 2010!!!!
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2011 12:09:03 AM
I'd rather fill up than stop multiple times.
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katexas
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2011 12:57:11 PM
I always fill all the way up, it's not worth it for me to take the extra time to gas up more often.
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clpassenubye
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2011 9:53:51 PM
I wish I could do that
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pacecar68
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2011 3:17:36 PM
i do a similar thing, except in CA gas is so high you don't get much w/ $20. I buy $40 or $60 at a time depending on which vehicle i'm in. like you, if i headed out on a road trip i fill'er up...
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2011 3:31:22 PM
when I left western Iowa yesterday, the pump prices were:
NL 3.199
SNL 3.099Des Moines today
NL 3.039
SNL 2.939
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2011 2:00:27 PM
gas tank makes you a storage facility for the refineries? It doesn't make you have maximum fuel so you can minimize your trips to the gas station; doesn't make you - if you believe that gas will go up in price soon - buying at what you think will be a lower price than in the future?
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zippok
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2011 4:25:32 AM
good idea. Why be a storage facility for the refineries?
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2011 7:58:48 PM
I could not care less what you do on principle; I'm all for that, whether I agree with the principle or not.
But I disagree that you're being "raped by the major oil and gas companies in this country", if for no reason other than most people are spending a smaller portion of their income on fuel than they spent years ago. If you want to complain about high gas prices, fine; but if you're saying prices should be what they were in the past, I'd assume you'd also agree to having salaries that were what they were in the past.
As for "local station owners who get rich off of paying there employees minimum wage or just slightly over that", the average mark-up per gallon of gas is about the same as it was 50 years ago (in the 1960s), approximately 8 to 12 cents per gallon, from which gas stations have to pay all their operating expenses, supplemented by any other income they can generate (store, service bay, etc.) Gas stations - we're talking gas stations now, not retail stores or laundries, etc. - take in less profit proportionally then they did in years past.
I may have missed something, but can you say which 1970s "CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS" we're talking about for which $300,000,000 were stolen a day from the American consumer?
As for "When they see a lot of smaller transactions in a report it tells them that prices are getting to high", I'm not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting that if there are too many small gas sales, they'll reduce the prices? You don't think that distributors are paying based on what the market price is, or that prices aren't being based on what the market will bear? The most recent auto industry reports indicate that more people are buying large SUVs than smaller fuel-efficient vehicles; meaning, to me, that people are more interested in the individual wants/preferences, than fuel price. That said, are saying that the company you work for wouldn't try to make as much profit as it could? Are you saying that your company would charge less for it's products or services than it does now? Just asking, for perspective.
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KhelbenArunson
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2011 1:47:37 PM
Gas,
As I have maintained from the beginning a good portion of this for me is actually about the principal of the matter. Let me put it another way to you. I am sick to death of being raped by the major oil and gas companies in this country, so ANYTHING I can think of to do, that in my mind causes them to lose even a penny, is worth doing. That goes right down to the local station owners who get rich off of paying there employees minimum wage or just slightly over that. So you can make all the arguments you want, but you will lose this one because it is based on principal. I HATE what they have done to this countries economy. I fought it back in 2008 when the prices started skyrocketing, and I was making very very good money then. And I WAS STILL FURIOUS. Why because I KNOW BETTER. I studied the criminal indictments from the 70's for these very same companies. YES CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS. They were stealing $300,000,000 dollars a day from the american consumer at the height of it. And that is pennies compared to what they are STEALING now. Again you can come up with whatever argument you desire, but this is simple HISTORICAL Fact. The only difference between then and now is that they have payed off enough officials where there Fat Cat Butts aren't in PRISON like they should be this time and so now they are doing it with IMPUNITY. And they will continue doing it with impunity UNTIL someone stops them.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2011 3:44:25 PM
KhelbenArunson wrote:
"...credit card sales are all taken by the corporate office and put into an escrow account which is cashed out at the end of the month for the station and that they do pay a per transaction fee. The difference is primarily in the tracking though."
How gas stations operate is up to individual gas stations and/or ownership, or by parent organizations' agreements with their franchise operators. Individual gas stations have individual agreements with credit card and other financial institutions. It's possible that some stations put money into an account, after reconciliation of the day's operations, just as it's possible that some stations simply have a rolling account from which they make end-of-month payments for any number of expenses, such as paying their franchise fees, their wholesale purchases, their maintenance fees, tax payments, etc., just as some stations may (in fact) pay their employees once a month. It's entirely dependent on what a station wants to do or has agreed to do.
"If gas has been high and it suddenly hits a low, I will generally put a lot more gas in the car to cover any incidental increases that may come. And to be quite honest the "little guys" are typically living just fine paying there employees minimum wage and running with massive profits off of there stations."
Even if gas suddenly hits a "low", how much more gas can you put in a car that you wouldn't put in otherwise, since you wrote "I typically travel a lot." Do you mean that when prices are low you fill up, whereas if prices don't drop you drive on, say, a half tank and refill more frequently? Unless you have a 40 gallon tank, how much more would you be saving by waiting for a "low" and then putting a "lot more gas in the car"? Even if you had a 20 gallon tank and you traditionally fill up to a half tank (because prices are "high", do you think that putting "a lot more gas in", perhaps filling up with another 10 gallons, is going to make that much of a difference? Even if gas hit a "low" - whatever that means, but I'll say prices drop by a dime a gallon - and you can put in another 10 gallons, you've only saved a dollar. That, to me, isn't a great incentive to wait before buying gas, and driving with a less full tank, hoping I can fill up and save money by finding a "low" priced station. Better to have a full tank than not. While I realize that the dollar may be important, are you saying then that you're equally as conscious on everything else you spend money on (and don't, for example, buy Starbucks when you can make your own coffee for less, or bottled water, or brand name items if generic is less expensive)? Just asking how consistent you are about saving a little bit here and there, or here or there.
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KhelbenArunson
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2011 11:13:49 AM
My understanding of this, coming from gas station owners is that the credit card sales are all taken by the corporate office and put into an escrow account which is cashed out at the end of the month for the station and that they do pay a per transaction fee. The difference is primarily in the tracking though. When they see a lot of smaller transactions in a report it tells them that prices are getting to high. I typically travel a lot anyways so multiple fuel stops are typically on my regular travel routes so it really doesn't drive up my consumption any more than it already is. Unless of course Telenav takes me on a wild goose chase for the lowest gas. If gas has been high and it suddenly hits a low, I will generally put a lot more gas in the car to cover any incidental increases that may come. And to be quite honest the "little guys" are typically living just fine paying there employees minimum wage and running with massive profits off of there stations. In addition I work in outside sales, so when prices are very high, instead of traveling as much as I normally do, I switch to making phone calls, and minimize my trips when gas prices are high, so I do cut consumption dramatically.
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h23s18
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2011 4:47:46 PM
We need to consume less to drop the prices
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2011 6:47:30 AM
Merchants - and especially merchants with a large number of credit sales -typically pay a percentage, not a per transaction fee.
But this begs the question of why you want to drive up costs on the station, which in most cases is owned and operated by a local person. You want to hurt the guy who is sponsoring your kid's soccer team, and buying raffle tickets for the school fundraiser? Why?
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frontrowjoe33
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2011 12:32:31 PM
Spend only $20 per fill-up, ya just fill-up more often then... the gas doesn't burn any slower...
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BCERB
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2011 3:02:59 AM
the merchant charges increase operating costs
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ProDigit
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2011 2:54:14 PM
you may think you pay everytime just as much, but it's only psychological.
when gas is more expensive,you'll be going to the gas station a day earlier,because the gas you fueled up with doesn't bring you as far.
Paying little when gas is high, is a good thing, but can cost you in the end visiting the gasstation every time. it's ok if your gasstation is on your daily route, but if you have to run around, because the gas is $.1 more than you wish,$20 will give you .6gallons less or $2 worth of gasoline less.
I wonder if those $2 you lose are really worth your time?
$20 per month is very little!
I get about $20 per week, and I know users who use $20 per day on gasoline.
You may have had a horrible time the past weeks, and would have benefited fueling up a week ago when gasoline was still below $3/Gallon.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2011 3:05:49 AM
KhelbenArunson, actually your little scheme does nothing to damage any company or station because you haven't cut consumption. In actual fact, the extra stop/starts mean, the higher gas prices go, the lower your effective mileage goes.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2010 3:35:21 PM
What? How does it play hell with their operating costs?
You're using the same amount of gas, you're making multiple purchases, and, if you're using a credit card, you're having to pay (as part of the price) a transaction fee to process each sale. Gas stations (not the gas companies) are making millions of individual transactions a day; it doesn't make a difference if you buy today and buy again tomorrow and then buy the day after versus if you buy every third day. You're still using the same amount of gas.
As for using multiple station brands, granted they don't know all your gas purchases, but if you're using multiple brands, then you're getting the maximum from the loyalty program you're in, which I guess plays hell with your getting rewards for being in the program.
Now, on a moreserious note, been a member since April 2008 with 44 posts and 3,070 points. Why not post gas prices to help other members here.
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KhelbenArunson
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2010 11:47:12 AM
Actually I take it a bit further. I will put in $20.00 when gas prices are less than $2.70, anythhing more I trim back to $10-$15 per fillup, and if they get to close to or go over $3.00 per gallon, I start putting in between $5.00 and $10.00. It plays hell with the gas companies operating costs. Also, use multiple station brands so there loyalty rewards can't track your usage as well.
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Peekaboo2U
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2010 9:59:56 PM
$20bucks?! Whose got $20bucks these days. I get no respect........My wife kisses the dog on the lips, yet she won’t drink from my glass!...and,
last week I saw my psychiatrist. I told him, “Doc, I keep thinking I’m a dog.” He told me to get off his couch.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2010 9:38:28 PM
Anyone get the impression that joshchun2, with only one message post (this thread he started) and 300 points, isn't paying attention to anyone here?
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sabreliner80
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2010 5:23:27 PM
$20 ! that's way too much; even if my tank is almost empty I can only put $14-$15 in it.
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mitmaks
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2010 4:17:25 PM
They started adding ethanol to keep gas prices low but not surprisingly they STILL getting higher. What happened to whole concept of ethanol in gas to keep gas prices low?
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pacecar68
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2010 1:31:38 PM
depending on the vehicle i'm in i only put $40/$60 in the tank when i stop. i went 1.5 months on $60 in my truck and maybe 3-4 weeks with $60 in the minivan and 4 weeks on $40 in my car. it is just was way to budget. i get gas when i need it, $60/$40 at a time...
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BCERB
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2010 2:49:29 AM
Easy to comprehend the difference between a joke & a sycophant. What's it like to be both?
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BCERB
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2010 2:59:51 AM
MARIOWERX So you drink it? That explains a lot. I certainly wouldnt recommend it nor do I advocate such folly.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2010 4:37:00 PM
gas is so high I tell ya, I tell ya gas is so high around here, the other day I drove into a full service station and the attendant came out and asked what I needed.
I told him: just $5 worth of gas.
He took my $5, farted and walked away.
I tell ya gas is to high.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2010 2:31:42 PM
Whiile I'm not sure what spending only $20 each time you get gas has to do with boycotting, but what does spending no more than $20 achieve. It's not hurting the gas companies, if that's what the intent is; if you're only filling your gas tank two-third of capacity, it just means that, over the long term, you're making more stops at gas stations than if you filled up.
So, the basic question is, while I understand that back in October 2004 your car filled up with $20 worth of gas, and that "Gas prices may change daily, but the amount I spend each time won't," why won't the amount you spend change? what's the reason you still only purchase $20? Nostalgia? Habit? Stubbornness? Thinking you're somehow hurting the oil industry? (because you're not hurting them if you haven't changed your driving habits or reduced your driving).
Side note: Since joshchun2's joined, there's been one message post - the one starting the thread, and 300 points. Doesn't seem like josh wants to comment on anyone's points of view, nor, for that matter, post gas prices, which I thought was the primary purpose of this website.
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BCERB
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2010 1:16:50 AM
One could still do $5 @ a time & never worry about condensation. The not so secret secret is to not run your tank down to empty! Keep your tank near full always & if youre still worried a shot of good old Methyl Hydrate AKA gas line antifreeze once a year should quell any unfounded fears!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2010 6:38:29 AM
While it is true newer cars have better sealed fuel systems, and therefore less condensation, it is not eliminated. If you are using gasohol, they condensation is less of a problem. The reason I have never had carburetor icing or gas line freeze up in 45 years of living and driving in places that experience temperatures as low as -40 is that I learned when I got my licence "better safe than sorry". When gasohol was not available at all stations, we always kept gas-line antifreeze handy to add to the tank when filling.
Water in the tank can freeze in the fuel line, and your car doesn't start, or actually stops while driving. At -30 or colder, that can be life-threatening if on a less-travelled highway.
There is a reason gas-line anti-freeze is still made, and will likely be marketed as long as gasoline is available without ethanol. In Manitoba, that is only premium.
How to Eliminate Water Condensation from a Gas Tank Read more: How to Eliminate Water Condensation from a Gas Tank | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6298865_eliminate-water-condensation-gas-tank.html#ixzz18MsFooIc
How To Reduce Condensation in Fuel Tanks
[Edited by: rumbleseat at 12/17/2010 6:42:21 AM EST]
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BCERB
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2010 2:40:30 AM
Actually - I know a couple of people that put only 5 bucks in at a time & never frequent the store! They must do this almost daily because $5 doesn't get you very far.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2010 7:30:44 PM
I filled up at lunch for $10 and now I have gas!
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zippok
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2010 11:15:24 PM
have mentioned before that the motorists are the biggest gasoline storage system in existence. However, those of us that live in winter country know better than to let the tank go below half too often. Even with ethanol in the tank we don't want the condensation.
I live in MN and have never had a problem running between a half a tank and empty.
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freecain
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2010 3:44:53 PM
I agree, letting your gas run down, or not filling all the way up does reduce your weight, and increase fuel economy. But, in addition to worrying about condensation, there's also the fear of running out of gas somewhere. Between snow storms that make driving much slow, and random parts of the country where you find that every gas station within miles has decided to close at 9pm for some reason. I like to keep at least a quarter tank at all times. at 300 miles a tank, I figure 75 miles will usually get me where I need to go.
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