Daurel
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2012 9:01:43 AM
I have allot of experience in the Alky burners over 35 years for a fact.
The average car when warm the fuel that gets past the rings turns into a vapor and is burned in the engine through the crank case vent system.
One thing about alky in regular oil just pour some in a baby bottle and add E85 and shake it up guess what it will NOT mix! The E85 goes to the top.
We ran special oil that would mix with Methanol and Ethanol so it would not cause a crankcase flash (as we were using it for racing) in the sprint cars the oil tank had a fuel separator in the tank the TAD and FAD dragsters just change oil after each run taking the alky out of the system.
Indy cars have a crankcase vent system that burns the vaporized fuel off NASCAR does the same thing.
Regular passenger cars burning E85 will have cleaner oil as the fuel that does get past the rings bonds with the water vapor and carries it out in the vent system that is why some that run E85 exclusively find the oil does not get as dirty. One reason lack of carbon from the Benzene in gas and the fact that ethanol carries two of the main oil contaminates out of the oil and burns them in the engine vent system.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 8:34:33 AM
stickyvalves, what kind of oil and how often do you change your oil?
5 year old cars are not old... and your constant use would likely not cause the same problems... compared to cars that are not used as often.
25% isn't that much... amazing with all the price of e85 in the heart of the corn belt you don't use more...
I agree with jamieg2012 in the concept that it's helpful to read many different views and question those studies.
But need to do on both sides, not just one... and do the research, if you want to know the truth...
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chemist74
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 8:01:02 AM
If unburned ethanol gets past the rings and into the oil sump (not uncommon with any fuel) and accumulates enough in the oil it can POSSIBLY cause problems in a number of ways including rust. (Even accumulation of normal gasoline in the oil can cause various problems including wear.) This should not occur much until you get significant ring wear. One of the major goals of the last upgrade in engine oil specs to GF5/SN level was to decrease the possibility of any rust problems from ethanol.
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jamieg2012
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 5:14:11 PM
if you are going to make claims then do the world a favor and back it up with independent research
so far i have never seen a anti ethanol claim that had any kind of link to research - only links to blogs and other pages created by anti ethanol groups that try to pass off as research
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 10:21:41 AM
WOW!
Learn something new every day; E85 will ruin my engine.
My 5 year old pickup with over 288,000 miles has used at least 25% of its fuel as E85. Something must be wrong with it as it hasn't quit yet. I wonder what its problem is.
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 10:02:40 AM
"Does ethanol damage my car engine?
NO. There are many myths surrounding the use of ethanol-blended fuels and the effect that they have on vehicle engines. In fact, you may find that your vehicle runs better on an ethanol-blended fuel as it will remove deposits and clean out the fuel lines in your vehicle."
National corn-to-ethanol research center/Southern Illinois University
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/9/2012 10:03:14 AM EST]
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:13:59 AM
jay93LA Cost of transporting food raises prices You Idiots need to do more research instead of spewing garbage.
FrugalLadyTX Water causes rust remember HEET??? You put into your gas to remove water I can not count how many motorcycle tanks I fixed from RUST before Ethanol was ever thought of or how many carburetors were damaged on lawn care equipment from same.
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 8:58:30 AM
increases food prices , less efficient
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 1:57:08 AM
There is nothing that shows that ethanol created a problem in this thread. The link provided is based mainly on blog threads and varies greatly. No real evidence. There was mention of ethanol damaging seals and rubber components. Well, we know that this is not true as the real experts give ethanol excellent ratings on most elastomers.
This article is nothing more than a poor attempt to discredit ethanol.
"and new studies have shown that ethanol might also potentially be bad for then environment as well."
And real studies have shown that petroluem is much more damaging to the environment.
[Edited by: goldseeker at 4/8/2012 1:58:49 AM EST]
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emtrob2012
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 11:29:49 PM
it is bad for engines...
and new studies have shown that ethanol might also potentially be bad for then environment as well
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2012 11:55:23 PM
Here is the link on corrosion
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antiguzzle
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2012 8:44:22 PM
W W W DOT consumerenergyreport DOT C O M/2011/03/19/ethanol-and-corrosion-follow-up/
"Ethanol and Corrosion Follow-Up"
"In the case of the UL study, I want the ethanol industry to take a responsible stand such as “We recognize that UL has identified some material incompatibilities in existing fuel delivery systems. We propose the following plan to ensure that fuel systems don’t begin to leak and cause safety or environmental problems….” In fact, some ethanol proponents did just that. They agreed that the UL studies identified an issue that needs to be addressed, so let’s propose a fix and move on."
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jamieg2012
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2012 7:00:12 PM
older cars when had steel tanks and ethanol did not have the process we do today did
it was the water and not the ethanol but people blame ethanol for all things really not caused by it
water rusts steel - not alcohol
the way cars is made today do not believe all these anti ethanol scare tricks since none of those people are able to show real research
real research is not just some guy filled up 1 time and saying got worse economy or claims it did damage since there is variables that discredit like how many miles was on the car and did he take it apart to really see the fuel pump and filter damage was really caused by gunk being cleaned out and gas additives for fuel cleaner does this too
also what kind of car and age and miles on the car since the engine could have had enough miles on it the part would fail soon no matter what - and what about regular maintenance like keeping fluid levels like coolant and oil at proper levels and using the right oil for the car
also driving habits between tanks like how much time idling in traffic from one tank to the next and weather like wind and some days have snow and others not and what about how many starts and stops like too many cars at the time they are driving
also does the person like to race the car since there is a lot of people i see going through the middle of town where speed limit of 35 is not fast enough so we better slam the accelerator down and get to 80 as fast as i can
also what kind of car and engine - if you compare economy of a prius to a 1970 ford 1 ton truck then the method is obviously flawed right there
there is a lot of variables and controls researchers design studies to control that these anti ethanol people do not take their study beyond what some guy says he did and get rude when trying to get these variables answered
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Waterman66
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2012 5:47:19 PM
Never heard that one.
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